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What Does it Really Mean to be In the World, but Not of the World?

Untangled Faith Podcast Episode 130

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Amy Fritz
Mar 04, 2025
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Marty Duren was ready for persecution.

He bravely wore his t-shirt with a Christian slogan to his school and waited.

The persecution never came.

I had a similar t-shirt. Mine said, “How can a moral wrong be a civil right? It can’t. Read the Bible.” Here’s where I admit I probably only ever wore it when I was surrounded by people who would applaud me for wearing it.

Like Marty, I really believed I was ready to be criticized for my faith. If someone was going to ask me to compromise my faith, I knew it would be difficult, but I’d hold fast to my convictions. 30 years after purchasing that t-shirt, I can tell you the ways I’ve most been tempted to abandon walking in the way of Jesus weren’t areas we talked about much growing up.

Marty and I talk about that on today’s Untangled Faith podcast. He has an entire book filled with essays on this very topic and I was thrilled to have him on the show.

I asked him about how he landed an interview with Beth Moore and her daughter, Melissa. And we talked about the difference between Christian Nationalism and patriotism, learning about the complexities of all that is happening in the Middle East (and that we have brothers and sisters in Christ who are Palestinian), and I asked him why “impactful” is his most hated word.

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